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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,

Congrats and well done Unnatiji.

Shri Mahaprabhuji has explained the diferrence between JAGAT and SAMSARA please explain and are they both real?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai jai shri Gokulesh

Enjoying the questions and increasing my knowlage day by day.Thanks Vasantji.

Plz. give hint for next.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,

Well here is the answer. There is a difference between Jagat and Samsara.
The Jagat is God's work where as Samsara is the work of the Jiva under the influence of Avidya.
Therefore JAGAT is REAL and Samsara is unreal.

Regret leaving overseas for some weeks will continue on my return.

In the meantime vaishnavs can discuss on following
Vishwa-anand which is Lokik
Brahma-anand which is Maryada and
Bhajna-anand /Swaroopa-anand is Pushti.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Shri Krishna/Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh

Thank you for the clarifications...

Grateful if anyone could elaborate on these curious and interesting topics put forward with nice hints...and i will add some comments too

Vishwa-anand which is Lokik

--- if vishwa is part of Bhram/God then why is it lokik ?

Brahma-anand which is Maryada and

--- Why is Brahm-anand Maryada (what is maryada) ?

Bhajna-anand / Swaroopa-anand is Pushti.

--- How does one obtain this one ?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Shree Krishna,

Iíll attempt your questions Jagdishji,

Vishwa-anand


Vishwa is part of Brahm but its temporary as in it keeps changing, from Satyug, Tetra, to Dwapar, Jagat is real but all our relationships are an illusion, and the one who enjoys the lokik relationship will cry one day as no relationship in this world lasts. As Je Je said in His vachnamrut, that sukh in this world is really anubhav of dukh. If we saw Krishna in everyone and had sarvatma bhav, perceived everyone as equal then that would not be called vishwa anand. However enjoying your family and friends company without thinking about the Lord is lokik (vishwa anand) which will end into misery one day due to death, fights, illnesses, change of personality etc

Brahma-anand

Brahm anand I think is perceived as seeing god formless everywhere, so there is no form but chanting and gives limited amount of bliss. Maryada means limitation within its means, Brahm anand can be measured, its bliss is not unlimited like Pushti anand

Swaroopa-anand is Pushti.


Swaroop anand is obtained through GRACE


Not explained the above well, vaishnavs please correct and elaborate

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Shri Krishna

Sitalji, Many Thanks for your response... very nicely explained and it certainly helps to understand better what these are

The following is from my limited understanding after having read about the subject a little recently.

Vishwa-anand

-- In this world this is merely an expression or a feeling (but it is not the real vishwa anand, just an aabhaas) of the actual vishwa anand that one has the potential to experience according to the merits they gain by performing good deeds. Classic Example: obtaining the enjoyment of Indra Lok, Indra asan, etc.

Brahma-anand

-- as mentioned by Sitalji above, This is the anand that is in Bhram (nirakar jyotimay swaroop of Brahm) and is the anand experienced by yogis, etc who are in search of merging themselves with GOD, so this is the form of GOD and anand they attain.


Bhajan anand - Swaroopa-anand is Pushti.

-- This is also Param-anand which is the kind of anand experienced by the bhagvadiyas/tadiyas, such as the 84/252 vaishnavs, etc... upon whom direct bhagvad krupa is bestowed
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