Krishna Seva

[gopal]

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh

For Bhakti

For bhaktimarg

“Demanding for return in place of bhakti- is like givind diamond to get sand “

To fulfill our small needs we do bhakti is the lower category of bhakti. The true bhakts don’t do such types of bhakti. Requesting to God that , “You help me to pass this exam, I will offer u a kilogm of thor, or you help me for this work, I will take care for u” This is one type of a contract. Just as we pray to god, that hey god, pls give me a child, I will do palna, or pls give me rise in my business, I will do rajbhog for u.

This is not the real bhakti-devotion. The real devotees never thinks for such type of pricefilled bhakti, even in dreams. Only thinks for the Tatk-Sukh of shrithakurji and not for own. Those who don’t understand the importance of devotion, only behaves or acts like in this manner. Devotion is like a magic stone-“ parasmani”.

By this parasmani, the nar (man) becomes narayan. Which is for us the pushtimargi vaishnava who starts seva as a sevaka and becomes bhagwadiya (like bhagwaan).

Those bhagwadiyas life-world is shrithakurji. So why they leave narayan for worldly attractions, whichh are for a very small instance???? So once took step in the bhaktimarg, should not step back or not even stop at some instance, but should cary forward for own betterment and to acheife one goal the kartavya (duty) of vaishnava, is seva of shrithakurji-guru-vaishnava.

Bhaktimarg (pushtimarg) is endless, so never give up and continue according to the aagyna of our own ShriGurudev (who gave diksha) in the boundries created by ShriMahaprabhuji.

Namo Bhagwate Tasmai Krishnadbhoot karmane |
Roop Naam Vibheden Jagat Kridati Yo Yetaha ||

At the outset, we would like to elaborate upon this new activity we are starting.

In our tradition, the author used to define 4 things known as Anubandhachatushtaya at the start of his book : Adhikari (qualification of reader), Vishaya (topic), Sambandh (how the book deals with the topic) and Prayojana (purpose of writing the book).

E.g. Mahaprabhu ShriVallabhacharyaji at the start of Tattvarthadipanibandha states that

(1) it is meant for pious devotees,

(2) it includes meaning of the scriptures, decisions on all issues and contents of ShriBhagawatapurana,

(3) it shall elaborate the above three and

(4) it is an effort to impart this knowledge in absence of which the devotees are avoiding Krishnaseva.
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Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar,
Baroda

[gopal]

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,

Which Pushtimargiya sevya swaroop is more powerful????

1.) Nidhi Swaroop of ShriGurudev 2.) Swaroops at Haveli 3.) Sevya Swaroop of individual Vaishnava 4> All above are same .......

Someone might reply this way : Which ever swaroop you think you have Asakti in. Also most vaishnavs will ofcourse I think will love (Prem) their own swaroop which they serve at home. One can get into vyasan dasha (final stage of Bhakti)once you developed Prem and Asakti.As far as "POWER" is concerned, I believe in 4th option. All are same. As far as "ASAKTI" is concerned, a vasihnav will have more asakti in their own shree thakurji.

Yes very true. It is far different from the statements of that there are 63 swaroops been given by shrimahaprabhuji and from which 8-9-10, etc are mains....

Now how will accept it??

All Swaroops are One only. For they all are Purnapurushottam Shree Thakorji only. Our Asakthi too is in this Pornapurushottam prabhu only. Arent they all his own forms ? Trying to distinguish among swaroops, and sorting out who is more powerful etc. is an act of discrimination not befitting Vasihanavs. Like Shree Surdasji in his famous Ashray pada said... to me I never saw any difference between Shree Vallabh And Shree Thakorji. Then how can there be any difference among swaroops. The different swaroops of Shree Thakorji remind of his different leelas and thereby provide bliss in his different forms.


If all the swaroops have the same power, then why we leave our own shrithakurji at home after serving for few time and run behind the haveli's??

The balgopal that we have at home, whose seva is given to us by Gos balaks is nijudharak swarup i.e. it is only meant for you. only the seva of this swarup is going to help us to reach the golok with thakorji. the swarup in the havelis is Sarvodharak and is for everyone. As an example who will like a husband who has many wives. If a girl wants to marry she will choose some one who will be only her and not any one elses also he will be more loving to her. Same way our thakorji is our one and only husband. But the haveli thakorji is for everyone. I hope this helps to solve the query.

Can we consider this statement as a valid statement for our Pushtimarg???? Doubtful, right?? i think something very important here. SHRI MAHAPRABHUJI's teaching & Pushtimarg has lot more than what any of us can potraying here.

According to our Siddhant of Shrimahaprabhuji : Pushtimarg is keenly dependent on the seva, and not pooja. Seva r of 2 types. Naam seva and swaroop seva. And for swaroop seva, shrimahaprabhuji had clearly said

"Gruhesthite Utkarstam Na Bhagwadiyatvamatren Kintu BhagwataSaha Sthitya Bhagwatkaryatham va : Anyatha na Sthavyam Iti Stithi

Bijdhadhyarprakarastu Gruhe Sthitva Swadharmaat ||
Avyavrutto Bhatkrishnam Pujaya Shravanadibhihi

These quotes had said that we had to stay at house and do gruh seva. So what short of gruh seva???? Swaroop been pushted by shrigurucharan and given us for serving. Moreover if we remember the vaarta prasangs then whenever shrimahaprabhuji pushted any of the swaroop for a vaishnavas then he or she had been ordered "main toko mero sarvasva de rahiyo hu, yaako sahi roop su bhajiyo" Why aapshri mean to say this?

Shrithakurji is the sarvasva of shrimahaprabhuji-vallabhkuls also. and had to be served at home. I will take a laukik prasang, there was a person who had his lovely small boy. And he used to carry out his routines. But in the next door to this person stays another family and also had a small boy.

So this person now takes less care of his child and creates the so called affection for the neighbour's child. Is this proper????? Shrimahaprabhuji also said the follow quote "Krushna Seva Sada Karya Mansi Sa Para Mata (1) Chetastatpravanam Seva Tatsiddhyai Tanuvittaja " Will it be possible ...........

Purushottam is always the same in pushtimarg, whether it is the sevya swaroop of a individual vaishnava, or the nidhi swaroop of shrigurucharan or swaroops at haveli's. So in pushtimarg the prakaar of swaroop aavirbhaav is the same for all swaroops.

If all the swaroops purushottamtatva is same then why we feel that today we enjoyed the darshana at this haveli or at this place etc. The same darshan can be got at own house. Shri Vallabhacharya gives the definition of devotion in His work Shastrartha-Nibandha as under:

Mahatmyajnana-purvastu, sudrdhah sarvatodhikah;
sneho bhaktiriti proktah, taya muktirna canyatha. ----->

Meaning: When one has developed deep-rooted and utmost love for Bhagavan, preceded by the knowledge of the greatness of the lord, it is called Devotion to Bhagavan. One can obtain salvation only by this devotion and in no other way.
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Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar,
Baroda

[gopal]

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh

Pushtimargiya navadha-bhakti, which is been said in Bhagwatji

sravanam kirtanam visnoh
smaranam pada-sevanam arcanam
vandanam dasyam
sakhyam atma-nivedanam

Hearing and chanting about the transcendental holy name, form, qualities, paraphernalia and pastimes of Lord Vishnu, remembering them, serving the lotus feet of the Lord, offering the Lord respectful worship, offering prayers to the Lord, becoming His servant, considering the Lord one's best friend, and surrendering everything unto Him (in other words, serving Him with the body, mind and words) -- these nine processes are accepted as pure devotional service." Srimad Bhagavatam 7.5.23


There r 6 ways of Sharnagati, whih is been explained by Shrimahaprabhuji in panch-sloki granth....

Anukulasya Sankalpa Pratikulasya Varjanam|| 4 ||
karishyati VishvasoBhartutave Varanam Tatha||
Aatmanajvedhyakarpanye Shudhvidha Sharnagati || 5 ||

=>Means - resolution to be taken to make anukul to prabhu, leave the unadjustable of prabhu, full faith for the whole & sole is only prabhu doing as his wish, accept prabhu in form of swami, aatmanivedan - dedication of soul & deenta - blissful nature, are the six types of sharanagati ..
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Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar,
Baroda

[Sital]

Jai Shree Krishna

Thanks Gopalji, really enjoying your postings, please so carry on

JSK
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Madhurkomalkant padavali namami
Sital

[Arti Gujrati]

jai jai shri gokulesh

I m wordless to write any comment; I just want to say i m trying to understand every word so that i can enjoy the BHAV of the words written here.
Gopal bhai you have written
We can also describe this devotion in the language of 'Ras-shastra' as Shri Vrajadhip (Shri Krshna), in our house in the form of an idol is to be treated as 'Aalamban Vibhav' around which all other sentiments (Bhav) rotates. Affection in the heart drives other acts of mind-body-speech for devotional worship.
This outside devotional behavior in the form of mind-speech-body is called 'Anubhav'. Decoration of our Lord with ornaments & dresses, singing Kirtans describing Vraj act (Vraj Leela) etc are called 'Uddipanbhav' It facilitates our Lord in the form of an idol to become our 'Alamban'. In other words, our love affection or sentiments resided in our heart towards our Lord are manifested outside in the form of an idol (Alamban-vibhav).

My que. is
what is the difference between Anubhav and uddipanbhav????
If possible plz. explian all the bhav in detail........
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krishna ev gatirmamm
Arti Gujrati

[gopal]

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,

Most valid question Aartiji. But what u had asked, let first understand agian the meaning of ur question.

U had asked difference between Anubhav, and Uddipanbhaav.

What is Anubhav? The outside devotional behavior in the form of mind-speech-body is called 'Anubhav'. -- experience. For example, when we sing kirtans-pads-dhols created by Bhagvadiya Vaishnavs who had seen all those leelas and created the experience in form of words, which we call as kirtans, pads, dhols, inshort Gungaan. Who, that was the Anubhav-Darshan done by them due to grace of ShriVallabh. So this is anubhav.


What is Uddipan Bhaav : Decoration of our Lord with ornaments & dresses, singing Kirtans describing Vraj act (Vraj Leela) etc are called 'Uddipanbhav' -- which enhances the inner Bhaav. It explores in inner i.e. Uddipan.

There is a minute difference, when we understand the meaning of both.
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Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar,
Baroda

[Arti Gujrati]

jai jai shri gokulesh

gopal bhai u said
Padasevan = Service,
Archana = offerings flowers, tulsi leaf, ornaments, cloths, perfumes, foods etc.
Vandana = showing reverence ____
are the three devotional rites respectively connected with body speech and mind of little advanced stage.

padasevan is connected to body.amongst archana and vandana which one is related to body and mind
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krishna ev gatirmamm
Arti Gujrati

[gopal]

jai jai shrigokulesh aartiji,

u had asked regarding paad-sevana, archana, vandana, each and every 9 folds of bhakti is related to Physical body, with soul. Because without physical body, Devotion (Bhakti) is not possible,. when we say smarana, it is related to mind, but that mind is a part of physical body.

Every thing. So when someone doing any form of or any fold of devotion, its good, as it is towards shriprabhu
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Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar,
Baroda

[gopal]

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,

I m slightly keeping different post here. I know many might get wrong impression for this post. But Pls try to understand what i mean to say. Also i request all of the krishnaseva vaishnavas that pls do give ur inputs for this questions-queries.


We all know that this marg of Pushti is of ShriMahaprabhuji. I think we all believe this point. Now my questions starts.

1. If this path of grace is of ShriMahaprabhuji, then who is Guru of this path?

2. Whose rules will be applicable over here in Path of Grace?

3. Who has the right to do any changes in this setup created by ShriMahaprabhuji for this path of grace?

4. Had ShriMahaprabhuji given any one orders that ShriThakurji ke Bhavya Manorath karao?

5. Do we remember the Vaarta of Padmanabhdasji where he didn't accepted the samagris been sent from house of ShriMahaprabhuji? Why?

6. Do we have the right to violate the rules of ShriMahaprabhuji?

7. Had shrimahaprabhuji any where in His scriptures given orders that there are 8, 9, 10, or 63 nidhi swaroops?

8. Why we respect today's ShriVallabhkul Balaks?

9. Why because they are descendents of ShriMahaprabhuji or because they do seva of Sevya swaroops of ShriMahaprabhuji, ShriGusaiji???



I request all of us to participate for this topic......
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Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar,
Baroda

[gopal]

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,

I had kept few questions, it is not for any distruction of any partitions or rather i mean koi vivad ke liyen yeh questions i had not kept. But this questions are related to the question of Nidhi Swaroop. So if we want to know what is nidhi swaroop then we should try to know all these too.
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Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar,
Baroda

[Arti Gujrati]

jai jai shri Gokulesh

I m begginer to this marg and i m replying what i feel
Answer
1.who is Guru of this path? Shri mahaprabhuji.
2.Whose rules will be applicable over here in Path of Grace?
shri Mahaprabhuji.
3. Who has the right to do any changes in this setup created by ShriMahaprabhuji for this path of grace?
no one...........but if the change is required accordind to time then gurudwar is answerable.
4.Had ShriMahaprabhuji given any one orders that ShriThakurji ke Bhavya Manorath karao?
No..
5.Do we remember the Vaarta of Padmanabhdasji where he didn't accepted the samagris been sent from house of ShriMahaprabhuji? Why?
I have not read this varta.
6.Do we have the right to violate the rules of ShriMahaprabhuji?
no
7.Had shrimahaprabhuji any where in His scriptures given orders that there are 8, 9, 10, or 63 nidhi swaroops?
don't know.
8.Why we respect today's ShriVallabhkul Balaks?
as per my little learning, who is guru according to sanatan hindu scripture Guru is the person" jo tumhe bhagwan se mila de"
that's why we consider Shrimahaprabhuji as guru and to respect vallabhkul balak same condition apply.
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krishna ev gatirmamm
Arti Gujrati

[jagdish]

Jai Shri Krishna/Jai jai Shri Gokulesh

very nice flow, thank you.
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Best Wishes
Jagdish

[Arti Gujrati]

jai jai shri gokulesh

more reply are awaited.
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krishna ev gatirmamm
Arti Gujrati

[jagdish]

Jai Shri Krishna/Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh

The following is per my very limited understanding and I will be grateful for any corrections and clarifications.

1. If this path of grace is of ShriMahaprabhuji, then who is Guru of this path?

-- only one Guru, Shri Vallabh and it is His marg... However, as per vachanmruts and clarifications, pushtimarg existed long before and was lost. Shri Vallabh revealed it again for the benefit of the jeevs of this age.

On the other hand Shri Vallabh considers Shri Gopijans as the guru of this marg.

2. Whose rules will be applicable over here in Path of Grace?
-- for us, the rules/guidelines/agyas given by Shri Vallabh, Shri Gurucharan/Gurudwar and Vallabhkul... this is subjective according to one's nishtha and adhikar.

3. Who has the right to do any changes in this setup created by Shri Mahaprabhuji for this path of grace?

-- The basic foundations cannot be changed, but allowances are made (this authority comes from ones gurudwar/vallabhkul who is a representative of Shri Mahaprabhuji) as per the needs of the changing times. E.G., it is no longer possible to get water from the well to do seva so we use the water that comes from the tap. Alternatively, if the water in the well is polluted, it cannot be used in seva, so water from other available sources has to be used (Mahaprabhuji advocates to do seva with the simplest and practical means available)

-- in one prasang we see that cooking utensils of a poor vaishnav got spoilt by an animal (i think a dog) and he was allowed to simply wash and reuse them in seva. Whereas, when the same happened to a vaishnav with money, he was told to change and get new utensils.

4. Had Shri Mahaprabhuji given any one orders that ShriThakurji ke Bhavya Manorath karao?

-- do what is practical/doable within ones own capacity (yogyata, shakti, samarth), one should not be forced to do anything that is not doable...

We see examples of vaishnavs such as puranmal kshatri who spent all his fathers money and when that ran out he went to work for many years to earn his own money in order to build temple for Shri Thakorji.

-- Vaishnav used to offer 52 bidas daily (he could afford it)

-- Shri Gusaiji's expansion of Raaj Bhog and Shringar, so manoraths are there to help increase bhaav and knowledge (he did not make any compulsory requirements?)

5. Do we remember the Vaarta of Padmanabhdasji where he didn't accepted the samagris been sent from house of ShriMahaprabhuji? Why?

-- Shri Thakorji is happy even with any sukshma seva as long as it is done with love - Shri Padmanabhdasji's chola were more appreciated by Shri Thakorji than Shri Girdharji's chappan bhog.

6. Do we have the right to violate the rules of ShriMahaprabhuji?

-- We don't, but in this day and age, it is not possible to follow every rule to the letter, hence there are exceptions according to the individual's circumstances (paristhiti), and hence our gurudwar and vallabhkul are there to guide us.

7. Had shrimahaprabhuji any where in His scriptures given orders that there are 8, 9, 10, or 63 nidhi swaroops?

-- appearance of nidhi swaroops is by their own divine will, there is no fixed limit.... "nitya leela, nitya nautam shruti na paame paar"

8. Why we respect today's ShriVallabhkul Balaks?

-- Sva Vanshe Sthapit-Ashesh.... from Shri Sarvottam Stotram
-- Yahi Tehi, Tehi Yehi, Kachu na Sandehi

9. Why because they are descendents of ShriMahaprabhuji or because they do seva of Sevya swaroops of ShriMahaprabhuji, ShriGusaiji???

--- The prasang when Shri Mahaprabhuji asks Damlaji "What do you consider Shri Gusaiji as?" and Shri Damla ji says "I see him as your son"... Shri Mahaprabhuji says "See him as me, we are one and the same"
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Jagdish

[Vasant Punjabi]

Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,

Will answer a few as per my understanding

1. If this path of grace is of ShriMahaprabhuji, then who is Guru of this path?

Shri Mahaprabhuji had requested to make Gopis our guru and follow the nishkam bhav as they did to achieve Shri Thakurji

2. Whose rules will be applicable over here in Path of Grace?

What rules ? if they pertain to seva then as said in Navratnam Granth
"Sevakrtigurorajna Badhanam Va Haricchaya"

3. Who has the right to do any changes in this setup created by ShriMahaprabhuji for this path of grace?

Only with the Agya of Shri Thakurji who may respond thru Vallabhkul balaks.

Eg.---Once in summer Shri Nathji requested Shri Harairaji that he is feeling very hot and they have forgotten to remove socks from his feet.

Shri Hariraiji went immediately on horse back and without taking bath there went straight into the temple and removed socks from Shri Nathji's feet.

6. Do we have the right to violate the rules of ShriMahaprabhuji?

Only if God tells us so.

7. Had shrimahaprabhuji any where in His scriptures given orders that there are 8, 9, 10, or 63 nidhi swaroops?

No

8. Why we respect today's ShriVallabhkul Balaks?

Sparks of the same fire.
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Vasant Punjabi.

"Shri Vallabh Shri Vithal Sukh-kari naa-me nishpap thai nur-nari,
------Nitya Lila nitya nautam shruti na pame par."----