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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Shree Krishna Vallah vaishnavs

God it feels good to be back on this site, I was feeling the pangs of separation Crying or Very sad Thankyou Unnatiji, Palnaji and Jagdisji those were lovely varta's. There is story about a clown who accumulated sins by acting in front of an audience. Can anybody name this varta and explain why he was sinning when it was not an actual event but a play?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Shree Krishna

The varta was called Bhavayia and he was dressed up as a clown and acting to commit sins. As he was dressed up as a Vaishnav to please a king, the karma's did not touch him, as he didn't remove his tilak and kanti, this shows the power of a tilak and kanti.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Shri Krishna,

Sital ji to try and answer your following query as per my limited understanding... hoping others will contribute by elaborating and making any corrections to my mistakes.

"Can anybody name this varta and explain why he was sinning when it was not an actual event but a play? "

- People do incur doshes/sins commited by mind/thought, place and time.

- the bhavaiya's actions were acted out so they are more than just thinking. What he acted also influenced the audience and inturn their minds would have become polluted (even for a few moments) by all those violent acts, etc.. these are subtely tied into laws of karma.
- As long as you think something within your mind, its ok, because you are polluting your thoughts.. but when you act it out, then you are polluting others too - like smoking Idea
- now if the minds of others got polluted and if they started acting those thoughts out in real life, then they would not only be taking on those sins but the person who gave them the idea of such thoughts/actions would also be participating in those actions and hence would also take on those sins (if not more).

- places are good and bad and have positive/negative energies associated with them (simple example, compare a desert with lush greenery - one will dehydrate and rob you of your energy and the other will re-vitalise you). Likewise we have good time and bad times... and are advised, according to the vedic injunctions, to perform specific actions during specific times.

There has been so much krupa bestowed upon us that the mala, tilak and mantra protects us from these various doshes.

Likewise, our gurus/vallabh kul perform vedic rituals like the tri-kaal-sandhya on our behalf so that we are exempted from doing them.

Otherwise one can only imagine having to do them and then taking on the doshes of not doing them or doing them incorrectly.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Shree Krishna,

Thanks Jagdishji, for the in-dept explanation Smile


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Shri Krishna,

It seems that this thread is a little bypassed... can we please continue with vartas from 252 vaishnavs?
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Shri Krishna/Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh

it seems like we have lost our regulars for the continuation of this thread :/
or we simply don't deserve the satsang of the 84/252





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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai shri Vitthal.... I agree with you Jagdishji.... I think before again continuation with the stories, It would be nice to refresh the mahatmay \ importance of these stories... will try to add a bit i know....

Shri Vallabhacharyaji has 12 Shri angs ( body parts ). All the shri angs are swaroopatmak. Each and every shri ang has 7 dharms within itself. These dharms are...

(1) Aishvaria
(2) Virya
(3) Yash
(4) Shri
(5) Gyan
(6) Vairagya

These are the main 6 dharms, Whereas the 7th is itself the dharmi swaroop. So the above 6 dharms plus 1 dharmi swaroop which makes the total of 7.
Therefore, 12 x 7 = 84. So these vaishnavas are shri acharyaji's ang roop along with alaukik samarthya of 7 darms. They all are nirgun. So this is the bhav of 84 vaishnavas of shri acharyaji.

Once shri Gokulnathji was telling 84 vaishnavas stories to some vaishnavas along with Kalyan Bhattji. Aapshri became so much involved in the stories that it was mid night now. Then one vaishnav requested Shri Gokulnathji.... " Maharaj ! Its mid nightnow, When shall you tell thw katha of Shri Subodhiniji ? "

Then Shri Gokulnathji gave aagya... " AAJ KATHA KA FAL KAHAT HAI. VAISHNAV KI VAARTA ME SAGRO FAL JAANIYO. VAISHNAV UPRAANT KACHU PADARTH NAAHI HAI. YAHA PUSHTIMARG HAI, SO VAISHNAV DWARA FALIT HOIGO. TAATE, VAISHNAV KI VARTA HAI SO SARVOPARI JAANIYO. "

As shri acharyaji's all vaishnavas are nirgun, Shri Gusaiji's 252 vaishnavas are Satvik, Rajas and Tamas. Out of these, 84 are Satvik, 84 are Rajas and 84 are Tamas.
So 84 x 3 = 252 vaishnavas. These vaishnavas are shri ang roop of Shri Gusaiji...

Jai Shri Vallabh \ Jaj shri Krushna...
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Shri Krishna

Krutiji, many thanks for this wonderful input... looking forward to more of the same
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Shri Yamune / Jai shri Krushna....

Story of Uttamshlokdasji...

Uttamshlokdasji used to prepare food for the sevaks of Shrinathji. He also used to offer food to the sevaks individually while all are having mahaprasad. He had very much affection towards vaishnavas. That is the reason that Shri Gusaiji used to be very happy on him.

In lila Uttamshlokdas belongs to Shri Chandravaliji's group. His name is 'Sushila.' She is very Satvik by nature. There is one vaishnav named 'Ishvar Dubey' whose name is 'Maina.' So these both sakhis Maina and Sushila prepares food for Shri Chandravaliji and all her sakhis in lila and also offers them food in nikunj.

Once Shri Chandravaliji invited Shri Swaminiji and Shri Thakurji in her kunj. Over their she was feeding the yugal swaroop with different - different types of samagris with her own hands.

At that time Sushila and Maina thought that everyday we prepare and offer food to Shri Chandravaliji and all sakhis. So today we shall offer food to the Yugal swaroop. For doing this, they didn't took permission of Shri Chandravaliji and took samagris in another vessel and started walking....

Meanwhile, Chandravaliji came and asked...
" Kaha jaat ho " ( Where are u going ? )
At that time Sushila and Maina replied in Pride....
" Kaha hum naa parose Shri Thakurji ko ?" ( Why should'nt we offer food to Shri Thakurji ? )
Then Shri Chandravaliji replied that there is no place for any pride over here. Fall on earth.

Thats why they took many births on earth, and this time they are born as Uttamshlokdas and Ishwar Dubey... how they got bramha sabandh is mentioned in another story....

Please do forgive / correct any mistakes....

Jai Shri Krushna / Jai Shri Vallabh...
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai ShriKrishna

very nice, looking forward to the next installment
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Shri Vallabh...

Story of king Aashkaran :

Once king Aashkaran was going to river to take a bath. At that time Shri Thakurji started playing his flute. Hearing that, he speedily ran towards Thakurji to meet him.

After reaching upto a certain distance, he saw that Thakurji was standing there with all the Vraj bhakts and doing all types of lilas. When he did this darshan, he forgot his material body and started singing dhamar.

" ya Gokul ke chauhate rang raachi gwal
Mohan khele faag nayan salonari, rang raachi gwal...."

He went on doing darshan and sang pads describing the lilas. Like this he sang for 3 days.

Later, Shri Vitthalnathji asked a man that Where is Aashkaran ?? I didn't saw him since a couple of days... Where is he ??

At that time people replied that he is in 'raman reti' since past 3 days. Hearing this Shri Gusaiji gave aagya to call Aashkaran and bring him back. So following the order, that man brought King Aashkaran to Shri Gusaiji.

When Shri Vitthalnathji saw him, he still seemed to be in the moods of Shri Thakurji's lilas... Even though he was standing in front of aapshri, he was engrosed in all lilas.

So Shri Vitthalnathji gave aagya that not to bound him under any rules and let him move freely where ever he wishes in different places if vraj....

King Aashkaran was such a graced soul of Shri Gusaiji...

Jai Shri Vitthal..
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Shri Krishna

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Shri Krishna

What is the connection between Damlaji (84 vaishnavs) and Harivanshji (252 Vaishnavs)?

Likewise what is the connection between Harivanshji and Krishna Bhattji?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Shri Krushna / Jai Shri Vallabh....

Well this question is very twisted.... And I am sure Jagdish bhai that u know this answer, because only then one would be able to ask this.....

I would try a bit as per my limited understanding....

Shri Thakurji ke 2 mukhya swaminiji hai....
(1) Shri Swaminiji ( Shri Radhikaji )
(2) Shri Chandravaliji

Shri Swaminiji Thakurji ke Aalamban bhav roop hai, Jo hamesha prabhu ke vaam baahu ( left side ) par birajman rehte hai. Aur Shri Chandravaliji Shri Thakurji ke Uddipa bhav roop hai. Aur ve hamesha dakshin baahu ( Right side ) par birajman rehte hai.

Nitya lila me har Nirgun sakhi ke 3 bhav hote hai. Which are Satvik, Rajas and Tamas.

Damodar das Harsaniji ( Damlaji ) Shri Lalitaji ka pragatya hai. Aur Lalita ji ke Rajas bhav roop Shri Chandrakalaji hai, jo ki bhutal par Chacha Harivanshji bhaye.....

That was the relation between Damlaji and Harivanshji. And now about Harivanshji and Krishna Bhattji.

Krishna Bhattji nitya lila me Ras bilasiniji hai. Waha Lalitaji ke Satvik bhav roop hai. Jo ki bhutal par Krishna Bhatt ji bhaye....

So Lalitaji ke Rajas bhav roop Shri Harivanshji ( Chandrakalaji )
And Lalita ji ke Satvik bhav roop Krishna Bhatt ji ( Ras bilasiniji )

Please feel free for any corrections.... Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai Shri Krishna,

Thank You! very nicely explained and this is what i was looking for Smile

which are their tamas and nirgun forms ?

Lalitaji, Chandrakalaji (Rajas), Ras Bilasiniji (satvik)

Nitya lila -->Sarasvat Kalp-->Present Kalp (Shwet Varah kalp)
- present day condition of jeevs

can we please continue do the same for Krishnadas Meghan ji
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