Krishna Seva

[Arti Gujrati]

jai jai shri gokulesh

thanks for quick reply Unnatiji.

plz. explain the following words

Pramaan, Pramey,Saadhan, Fal, Aavesh, and Pranay
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Arti Gujrati

[gopal]

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,

Unnatiji, 1 doubt from my side regarding ur posting from Aarti. that there is no such rules Why Mukhiyaji does the aarti from right side, while the Goswami Balaks do it exactly before Shree Prabhu i.e. Sanmukh ??

Aarti is a Bhaav of ShriYasodhaji mainly. Because we find that When our ShriGurucharan (ShriChaturth gruh Aacharya) does aarti Aapshri wears Uparna on Aapshri's Shrimastak till forehead. Same is been followed by Mukhiyaji.

And in other 6 gruhs Uparna is been kept on their shoulders. What is the bhaav behind it is the bhaav of Shriyasodaji. So no other bhaav to my understanding.
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Baroda

[Arti Gujrati]

jai jai shri Gokulesh

vasantji where are you????????not writing something.it is a daily satsang forum.
we are waiting for new question??????????
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Arti Gujrati

[Vasant Punjabi]

Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,

Punya no phal

If a poor vaishnav requests money from the rich vaishnav inorder for him to go to vraj for darshans of Shri Thakurji or for parikrama and the rich vaishnav gladly gives the money then who should get the punya no phal (fruit) ? and why? give examples and details if possible.
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Vasant Punjabi.

"Shri Vallabh Shri Vithal Sukh-kari naa-me nishpap thai nur-nari,
------Nitya Lila nitya nautam shruti na pame par."----

[Arti Gujrati]

jai jai shri Gokulesh

Difficult que.
Hint please..........
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Arti Gujrati

[Arti Gujrati]

jai jais hri Gokulesh

Dear vaishnavas plz. reply on this que.
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Arti Gujrati

[Kiran Java]

Jai Shri Krishna,

As per my limited understanding, and
According to the shastras both should get Puniya no phal

[jagdish]

Jai Shri Krishna

would be grateful for the correct answer and details to the actual query

as per one varta prasang, the punya of going to vraj and being in a holy place was given by the poor vaishnav to the person who provided the money. however, the punya obtained by doing actual physical seva in the holy place was retained by the vaishnav.
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Jagdish

[Arti Gujrati]

jai jai shri gokulesh

nice to reply Kiranji and Jagdishji. Now i think vasantji will reply in detail and we all the vallabhi vishnavas are wating for it.
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Arti Gujrati

[Vasant Punjabi]

Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,

Regret late reply as was travelling and I am sorry for that. But satsang must continue and I do get a chance to browse sometimes so vaishnavs do please continue even if I dont show up sometimes.

As described by Jagdishbhai the fruit of only giving money as donation to the poor goes to the rich vaishnav as it is his hard earned money.

How the money was spent travelling and doing sakshaat darshans and doing Yamuna paan or buying and wearing even tulsi mala goes to the poor vaishnav.
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Vasant Punjabi.

"Shri Vallabh Shri Vithal Sukh-kari naa-me nishpap thai nur-nari,
------Nitya Lila nitya nautam shruti na pame par."----

[Vasant Punjabi]

Jai Shri Krishna/Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,

Surdasji was a great and well known singer of kirtans as we all know.
He had 4 names could you name them? and who gave those names to him?

Artiji, Hint for you answer is in his kirtans look at his stamp.(chaap)
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Vasant Punjabi.

"Shri Vallabh Shri Vithal Sukh-kari naa-me nishpap thai nur-nari,
------Nitya Lila nitya nautam shruti na pame par."----

[Arti Gujrati]

Jai jai shri Gokulesh

I could find out the 3 name of the poet.
1.Madan Mohan (name by birth)
2.Surdas (blind man)
3.soordas (good singer)

Here i am posting the story of great saint soordas which is available on internet.

Story of Surdas (devotee of Krishna) - 06-15-2005, 04:03 AM

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THE STORY OF SURDAS
During the reign of Akbar, a great saint, Surdas, was born. He was blind and was
beyond the parochial religious beliefs. His loving description of Krishna's life
in a folk language, known as Brajbhasa, is still today a treasure of Krishna's
bhajans.
In the village of Sihi near Delhi, in the house of a poor Brahman, a child was
born in the year 1478. He was born blind. He had three other brothers. He was
so neglected by his neighbors and his own family that by the time he was three,
everyone forgot his real name and he was called Sur, which means blind. He was
later known as Surdas.
Surdas would often go hungry because his mother would not bother to feed him.
His brothers would receive new clothes at Diwali time but not Surdas. Surdas'
parents thought he wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyway. It hurt his
feelings.
Surdas' outside world was not very kind either. His playmates enjoyed teasing
him and when he came to his mother for sympathy, she scolded him for going out.
So, unfortunate Surdas stayed on the porch most of the time.
One day, a group of singers passed by his house singing in praise of the Lord.
Swept up by the joy the music brought forth in him, he forgot for a moment that
he was blind.
"One day I will learn how to sing," he told himself.
When Surdas joined his brothers to learn from their father how to read and
write, his father said, "Go away. You are blind, you cannot read." His brothers
teased him as he sat and wept.
A few days later, another group of singers came by, passing through the village,
begging for alms and singing in praise of the Lord. They passed by Surdas'
house. Surdas followed them. At night they stopped to cook and rest near a
lake. One of them came to Surdas and asked, "Why are you following us?"
"I would like to learn to sing" answered Surdas.

They fed him that night but didn't want to be burdened with the blind boy. In
the morning they left without telling him.
Where could blind Surdas go? He sat under a tree and began singing the Lord's
praise. He had a good voice and his feelings were expressed with utmost
sincerity. Villagers passing by gave him food and he survived. The lake was a
popular resting spot for those travelling to Mathura and Vrindavan. From their
conversation, Surdas learnt a lot about the outside world.
By the age of fourteen, Surdas developed a keen sixth sense and could predict
many things. People were amazed and he was called "miracle boy." If a villager
lost an animal, Surdas could tell him where to find it. He was cosulted on the
appropriate day to travel or to start any project. People from other villages
travelled a long way to meet him and gave their offerings. One day, the
landlord's little toddler wandered off and could not be found. Surdas predicted
where the boy was and the boy was found. The landlord was so pleased that he
fell at Surdas' feet and asked his men to build a cottage for him near the tree
under which Surdas stayed. Shortly thereafter, people offered him a string
instrument to accompany his singing. Some people became his disciples. They
began to write the songs he composed. The disciples loved him and served him to
the best of their ability.
One night, Surdas dreamt of Krishna and people praising Him through bhajans.
Surdas woke up and was convinced that Krishna was calling to him. The next
morning, he departed for Vrindavan. His disciples came running and were
worried.
"Why are you leaving us? Are we at fault?"
Surdas consoled them and continued on his way to Vrindavan through the jungle.
Wherever he went people wanted to listen to him sing and have him stay with
them. They would beg him to stay in their village. They respected him, honored
him and fed him. But Surdas kept moving.

"I am a traveling monk, I cannot stay at any one place," Surdas said.
One day, while he was resting at the edge of a shallow abandoned well, he fell
into the well. Blind and injured, he did not know how to get out.
Surdas stayed in the well for seven days praying for help. Suddenly he heard a
child's voice, "Hold my hands, I will take you out."
Surdas came out of the well and the boy disappeared. He kept searching for the
little boy who rescued him. In his imagination, the boy was none else but Gopal
Krishna (Krishna's childhood name). People thought he was crazy.
One day one of his disciples told Surdas that the great learned saint Swami
Balabhachari was going to visit Vrindavan. Balabhachari was famous for his
writings about Krishna. Surdas keenly wished to see him. While Surdas was
making arrangements to cross the river to visit Balabhachari, Balabhachari
himself arrived at Surdas's residence. Surdas was overwhelmed with joy. He fell
at Balabhachari's feet and sought his blessing. Upon his request, Surdas sang a
bhajan about Krishna. Balabhachari requested Surdas to dedicate his life to the
praise of Lord Krishna.
Balabhachari stayed with Surdas for a few days and taught him about Krishna's
scriptures. Then he initiated Surdas to his own religious order. Surdas went to
Vrindavan with his guru, Balabhachari. Balabhachari appointed Surdas as the
chief singer of Srinath temple in Govardhan, near Vrindavan. Srinath is another
name for Krishna.

Surdas' reputation as a singer and devotee spread far and wide. One day in the
court of the mogul emperor Akbar, the court singer Tansen, sang one of Surdas'
songs. Akbar was charmed. Tansen admitted that the tune and the lyrics were
that of Surdas, the blind devotee of Krishna.
Akbar was a broadminded Muslim. He invited Surdas to his court. Surdas declined
saying, "I am so very honored, but I sing only in the court of my beloved
Krishna."
When Akbar heard of this, he gladly came to Surdas and listened to his prayer
songs in the temple. He was very pleased and asked Surdas to ask for anything
he wanted.
Surdas said, "Just do not ask me to go to your court to sing." Akbar agreed.
Surdas lived a long life and wrote many songs in praise of Krishna's childhood
days. Surdas' songs are sung to this day.
Source: http://www.indolink.com
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Arti Gujrati

[Vasant Punjabi]

Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,

That was a nice story Artiji ,Thanks.

By the way you got one name correct and that is
Surdas or Soordasji given to him by Shri Gusainji.
Waiting for other three names.
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Vasant Punjabi.

"Shri Vallabh Shri Vithal Sukh-kari naa-me nishpap thai nur-nari,
------Nitya Lila nitya nautam shruti na pame par."----

[unnati]

Jai jai shri gokulesh

Artiji,
Pramana- The thing by which we can prove. There are 4 pramanas i.e. Vedas,Bhagwat,Brahamasutra,Gita.
Pramaya- Goal i.e. what we want to achieve.
Sadhana- The things which are used in the process.
Phala- Fruit i.e. what we get at the end.

Example::: Plant a tree

Pramana- While planting a tree, we go into biology and get to know that we need a seed, dig the ground, plant it, water it etc.
Pramaya- We want the seed to grow into plant.
Sadhana- Water, fertilizers etc.
Phala- The Fruit/flowers that plant gives.

Aavesh means the intensive and active emotion of ones heart, feelings that depicts surrendership towards mental and all senses towards seva, a service that acquires complete surrender.

Pranay Means Love.

Gopalbhai, thanx for the posting.. might be the seva pranali of trutiya ghar will be that and in my post itself i had mentioned the courtesy to the trutiya peeth site n regarding the question which u raised i guess the ardent vaishnavs may help us out.
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[unnati]

Jai jai shri gokulesh

Vasantji,
Sur was given this name by his parents.

Sur Sagar was given to him by Shri Mahaprabhuji.

Sur Shyam was given to him by Shri Goverdhan Nathji ( Shri Thakurji Himself) Surdas had a desire to complete 125,000 kirtans and after completing 100,000 he was worried how will he still accomplish his goal and Shri Thakurji completed 25,000 kirtans for him with the name of Sur Shyam.

Shri Surdasji was given to him by Shri Gusainji.

Shri Surdasji had created more then 7000 padas of Shri Swaminiji and hence she gave him the name of "Suraj" .

"Pushtimarg ko Jahaj " ( Surdasji (Ship) full of Pushti Lilas ) --- At the time of death

Next Question Plz...
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